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Army irks over Pay Commission's recommendations

New Delhi, Thu, 27 Mar 2008 NI Wire

The first ever resentment at the recommendations of the sixth pay commission to the government regarding the enhancement of pay packages of the central government employees is likely to come from all the three wing of armed forces.


The chiefs of three-armed wing on Thursday in their routine meeting with the Defence Minister A K Antony may raise the issue of meagre increment of armed forces personnel as compared to other officials and even new recruiters mentioned in the recommendations of pay commissions, which has created resentment among them.

 


Asking about his reaction over the discontentment among jawans over the recommendations of meagre hike in salaries, the defence minister said, “let him discuss the matter with all concerned first. It would not be appropriate to comment at this juncture”.


After thorough study of Pay Commission recommendations coherent suggestions can be conveyed, said Army Chief Deepak Kapoor while talking to reporters.


As per the defence sources, the matter can be directly carried to the Pay Commission as the Commission had earlier told that in case of any anomalies were found in the recommendation; the concerned authorities could submit the note to the Commission.


The top rank among armed forces while welcomed the positive aspects in the recommendations, however not satisfied with the recommendations completely, as they point out the declining benefits to officers from the level of Colonel upwards. While the lower rank feels they are not adequately compensated for their hardships.


Out of 1.1 million-strong Indian Army, about 45,000 are officers, while the rest are soldiers. The Sixth Pay Commission has recommended only Rs 1,000 per month as Military Service Pay (MSP) for Personnel Below Officers Ranks (PBORs) whereas officers will get an MSP of Rs 6,000 per month.


Besides MSP, soldiers also get allowances much less than officers. At present, an officer gets Rs 7,000 per month as Siachen allowance, whereas a soldier gets Rs 4,667 per month. Under counter-insurgency operations allowance an officer gets between Rs 3,150 to Rs 3,900 per month while a soldier gets between Rs 1,500 to Rs 2,700 per month.


In contrast, ex-servicemen have shown their own reason of resentment for paying no attention to the disability and family pension. A jawan gets Rs 1,550, Junior Commissioned Officer get Rs 1,900, and an officer Rs 2,600 as hundred per cent disability pension. There is twelve per cent annual fallout rate in the Indian Army.


Even officers are not satisfied with the recommendations for meagre increment for soldiers. They want their salary should hike. Officers also feel that no recommendation to make the Short Service Commission more attractive has been crafted while the armed forces facing a shortage of about 12,000 personnel at the junior level.



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1. Army not adjusted 6th pay commission pension those pers release in LMC in 2007 to till very deficuilty to stayin civil with family without income and not any army/Civil offrs to see the matter of pension when any person contact to conscern pers so tell that work on progress not given satisfy answer to pensioners .Vijay Kumar Sheorain Vijay KumarSheorain
2009-03-25

2. Army not disclose the pay pannel report those approved by the govt of india.In the sence ofd said the civil company not incresae the pay of employ those after retired employed .So the request disclose the PBOR pay bend in internet those apporeved by the Govt of India for defence person(AREMD) Vijay Kumar Sheorain
2008-11-15

3. In Army, Nurses with BSc Nursing degree have been recommended for NURSING ALLOWANCE @ Rs 4500 Whereas Commissioned officer an engineer with BTech degree will get Tech allowance @ Rs 1000 only. It is beetter to be a NURSE and serve in the cosy confines of military hospital than be lt colonel with BTech degree and seve in the combat zone and also face the difficult conditions of the Military Service. Vijaynath
2008-11-09

4. If the forces keep getting such a treatment from the Govt its not long before their motto changes to "ITNA PAISA MEIN ITNAICH MILENGA" SS Singh
2008-09-27

5. Who is doing what and how? it is known to every one, every members of pay commission cell. Let them judiciously think , for the sake of national security, notto play tricks with the Defence and Para Mil Forces like BSF, SSB, ITBP and CRPF etc. Since all are involved in national security, why there is indifference in pay? Again the payment of PBOR for every forces as mentioned above should be reconsidered considering their involvement in every field of work like flood, earthquake and accident relief. Playing childish with soldier NOT NOT NOT good for our senior officers and politicians. Can join to Say 'Jai Hind' with me. Nirmal
2008-09-20

6. While considering pay & allowances of Defence personnel, we should not forget similar efforts for our Para Mil Forces like- BSF, SSB and CRPF etc. They are also equally involved in security duries like Defence persons, Not less then any force. Promotion of PBOR is disgusting. Promotion should be at the inteval of every 5 repeat 5 years. A jawan proceeding on pension as a Hav after 26 years of service where as an offr in the rank of Colonel. A JCO (similar rank in Navy and Air Force) after 30 years, proceeding on pension as Subedar. Why it is always overlooked? After all, the main machinery to occupy land in war is Infantry, like wise the main machinery to do things on ground are JCOs and OR. nirmal
2008-09-20

7. sir, i m retiring on 30 nov 2008 my present basic pay- rs7700/-as per previous pay scale(before 6th pay commission). what will be my pension as per 6th pay commission. bharatsingh
2008-09-13

8. Life is extremely difficult for diasbled ex - servicemen. Because of their disability they cannot take up any gainful employment.Their mobility is highly restricted. It shall be in the fitness of things,that the service element of the pension is made on par with the serving personnel of the same rank and yers of service rendered. Their disability pension needs to be substantially increased as at present it is a pittance which is even not worth mentioning The disability pension of persons having war/attributable to military service/aggravated by military service should at least be increased at least 10 times than the existing one anand
2008-09-02

9. Sir,I have served in the corps if EME for 17Yrs 8Months, dot discharge on 31 Aug 2005. Can you please provide me a latest pension scale. R.Adiyaman
2008-09-01

10. Being Army person I cannot commit for pay but you think a person how much suffer. Pay is lesser and risk is higher. A soldier touchered by officers in service and by family members (society) during leave through mentally, physically, socially and pay is lesser than a peon in civil. Even difference of pay in all three services in other rank is still continue. Work load is increasing day by day due to militancy, infiltration, natural calamity (flood, earth quake etc) and pay percentage is going down in comparison of other govt/public sector employees. We cannot sought for pay like civilians and standing like a bagger (asking jo dena hai de de baba, allah ke nam par kuch to de). Ask any jawan about his problem then you feel what is army ? 24h is less for a jawan. prasad
2008-08-30

11. As a Soldier I Cant Comit for a Pay but it is a desipline matter ho serving since1 17 yrs In GD he got first promotin and anther gotSoon. we expect omething change this commission but same thing we helpless. i know ACP help us its mony mater what about the currage Dissipline? Pradeep
2008-08-17

12. pbor do not protest,is not protesting& will not protest.they are helpless.but this does not means that the sixth pay comm can neglet the jawans who live put his life in such dangerous conditions to protect the mother land.6:1 is never acceptable in the same temp & living standard.so pls jawans are also humans.pls show some humanity.pls .pls vp.aneesh
2008-08-14

13. Are officers endangered their life more than a PBOR? Are the more prone to any causality or injury? it seems the temperature is six times lower to an officer than to a PBOR at Siachen(as H.E. Srikrishna, the Chairman Pay Commission think). Does a bullet pump into the heart of an officer six times faster than that does to a PBOR? then why are there difference not in one or two but as many as six times? PBORs are not so advanced. They are completely really over the salary they incurs to brought up their family, aspiring a better life for their children, which they don?t get. They can?t come up & put their case effectively, because they still think some miracle will happen & justice is given to them. i don?t know how much extend they are right or wrong. But sir, please u think, when the GOD, the nature is not making any partiality among Officers & PBORs either it is the low temperature at Siachen or the stormy weather at sea(Indian Navy), then how could u do so? Ram
2008-08-04

14. As an Operator I am not satisfied with the 6th pay commission recommedations. How the comittee recomends huge difference betweeen PBOR and Officers as BLINDLY . Are they blind actually ?. PBOR always getting un-justice repeatedly in all pay commissions. The MSP should be at least Rs 4000/- for PBOR, where Officers are getting Rs 6000/-. Usually PBOR are getting risk life in the Army than the Officers but getting pay much lower than them. This is very shame and un-justice. Thank you. Hav Raju Boruah
2008-07-17

15. Praise the Lord. Pay revision committee should be stationed in siachin then only this obtuse babus will come to know the difficultie faced by the ordinary Jawans.Better praivatise the defence and let them run the show David cpperfield
2008-07-18

16. disability pension should be increased minimum three times , it should be Rs.4000 for OR Rs. 6000 for JCO and 7500 for 100% disability because after being boarded out they are not being accepted in civil on the plea of LMC .it is the duty of army to reemployee the LMC personnel in civil organisations. Ex Sub Shafiq Ahmad
2008-07-05

17. Dear Sir As far as pay commison is concern PBOR is getting very less pay as comparision to Officer which is totally unjustice. I dont know what the beurocracts are doing., All the high official are giving prelivges to the offr. In my opinion pay structure should be in two phase. Likewise pay of officer and PBOR not rank wise. and there should not be too much gap in the pay of officer and PBOR. because PBOR workload is more than an Officer Atul Bhadoria
2008-06-22

18. On recommendation of 6th pay commission pay scale for PBOR should be given diffrence pay scale and not compare with civilian given pay band. MSP suggested by 6th pay commission is totally wrong. It should be given equally to Officers and PBOR. shankar
2008-06-02

19. seeing the recommendations in 6th pay commission a panwala has much more financial security and mental piece than a army officer of this great indian army. Our seneior officers need to take stand as soldiers. Maj vishnu
2008-05-23

20. army ki payment 4% honi chahiye. army man is very hard working in fieldworks. izzat bhaut hai per paymentbhaut kam hai. maansingh
2008-05-18

21. As a clerk I am not satisfied with the 6th pay commission recommedations. How the comittee recomends huge difference betweeen PBOR and Officers as blindly. Are they blind actually ?. PBOR always getting un-justice repeatedly in all pay commissions. The MSP should be at least Rs 4000/- for PBOR, where Officers are getting Rs 6000/-. Usually PBOR are getting risk life in the Army than the Officers but getting pay much lower than them. This is very shame and un-justice. A. Venkataramana
2008-04-30

22. There is no detailed recommendation for Defence Pensioners. While the Babus are enjoying in peace retired soldier beg in the streets to get their alms. What harm they have done to the country? Their youth is wasted in defence front and after they retire they have to mend themselves. It is pity and sorrow affair. Sixth Pay Commission Cheif shoul go the Border areas to realise the situation. I am soory to say this Sub.Maj.S.Thiruvengadam ( Retd)
2008-04-29

23. dear sir, we are(all mil personnel) highly disappointed with the recommendation of 6th CPC.there is too much difference among the ORs,JCOs and officers.in 6th pay commission recommendation officer's basic pay will be increases to 3 time , while jcos/ORs will not be getting 3 times of their basic pay.this is the huge difference between PBOR and officers. In the 5th pay commission all categories are merged to y gp but y gp was not upgraded. in 6th pay commission all lower gp will be merged to y gp but still y gp is being upgraded. All general duties cat are with the qualified technical gp.there is no differences between tech and non tech gp. in AMC diploma holders are not upgraded to X gp while in the EME diploma holders are in X gp and their diploma is only for 1 year, while in AMC diploma is for 3 years.and the diploma holders are not getting any incentive/enumeration.pl do some justification to all ranks of army.i hope for positive result. Thankyou sir nb/sub pravin
2008-04-24

24. ON THE ONGOING COMMENTS ON THE PAY COMMISSION REPORT I WOULD LIKE HIGHLIGHT THE FEELING OF PBORS.THSESE R THE MOST VENURABLE SIGMENT OF THE DEFENCE SECTOR BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT ONLY DIVRPVED BY NOT GIVING THE PROPER RISE IN THEIR PAY BUT ALSO THEIR PROBLUMS ARE NEVER HIGHLIGHTED ON ANY OF THE PLATEFORM EVER. EVEN THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OFFICERS UNDER WHOME THEY WORK NEVER PROJECT THEIR PROBLEMS UPWARD.WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO DO IN SUCH CONDITIONS. ankitasingh548
2008-04-18

25. thewr is nothing for jawanas . there should not difference interms of allowances to pbors & officers they should be equal kamakhya
2008-04-17

26. pay commission is a mile stone for a govt empl .distribution should be equal . the inflation rate is touching the sky and payment is same . so govt should think and control the situation . the job in defence is totally different from civil the civilian is doing only 10-4 but in defence 24 hours job and there is no secutiry of life . so pay commission should given to the defence personnel as per the required level and there should be no comparison between civilian and defence s kumar
2008-04-13

27. Sir,as we know that defence job is the very hardest job in the world. I include a large number of deathly events in the service life. But remuneration is very low than other job. Commision recommended huge raise in officers salary as they know that there are difficiency in that but in lower order they don't think to do so as there is no difficiency in that position.We make attention to that lower candidate can not fullfill faimily need now a days. They tell their dependent to not join defence.Then a huge dificiency occured in itas in England. sunil kumar
2008-04-06

28. It has been our past experience of last 3-4 pay Pay commssions and their implimentions that neither the Govt nor Army Bosses were ever honest in considering PBOR needs/futures and left over at their destiny.If unemployment is not a problem, you may see the DEFICIANCY of PBORs more than the Offrs, there are much reasons for getting equal benefits for same work/same risks.This dis-satisfaction perforce them to seek suicide or to kill their seniors/collegues.Now the time has come to have a broad look and think honestly and not making them fool ever. BAL THAKRAY
2008-04-06

29. SKELETONS IN ITS CLOSET : VIth CPC The central govt employees may have come on terms with the paltry increases in their pay made by the Vith CPC but the biggest damage done to them is the recommendation made for reduction in commutation factor for the retirees. This move has snatched more from the employees than what the CPC has given them. e.g. a govt officer retiring at 54 years of age, with new pay scale of Rs 41270(Rs 33670 Basic and Rs 7600 Grade Pay ) , the earlier commutation factor of 12.05 and 40 percent commutation would have got Rs 1196421 whereas with the proposed commutation factor of 8.678 for the same age he will now get Rs 859539 ,a clear loss of Rs 336882 to the employee. Similarly, if the commutation percentage is hiked to 50 percent then the loss would be of Rs 417487. Those aspiring to buy a flat or getting their wards admitted in IIMs or IITs may relax now as these luxuries may have slipped out of their reach. Will some one please take note. rajan
2008-04-05

30. As for as I concern, today the salary which is being given to a soldier is merely amount comparing with the other civil employee's and also working time. A soldier is doing his duty in the desert & ice areas combating with anti social elements year long countinuously leaving his family behind the financialhardship with getting a not enough amount. No one living like this in this world. So here, there is no need to discuss the much amount, first examine the life of soldier then consider it as what should be give. Thanking you Naik Vijay
2008-04-04

31. No one seems to have noticed the new commutation tables suggested by pay commission. We loose all benefits as the commuted value reduces by about 40% it is as good as taking a 15 years loan so whats the point of serving the govt Saurabh
2008-03-31

32. I welcome this pay commission as a good pay commission which look towards other ranks in Indian Army. But actuallity is, though our country progressed through the constant work of soldiers and farmers, Govt betrayed them back. This is a sheer foolishness and because of this reason nobody will take interest to join in Indian Army so there will be a acute crisis of intelligent army men. Sam
2008-03-30

33. Dear Sir, One aspect which very few experience is that the renk of Colonel and Brigadier and equivalent in Air Force and Navy have been placed in Band 3 which is the Band occupied by Readers and Senior Scientists in Universities and Scientific institutes. the position of reader is a very junior rank as compared to a professor who is cooling his heels in Band 4 with a revised salary of 57790 ( pre rev - 22400). It means a Colonel and a Brigadier is considered a junior level officer in the eyes of Pay Commission . this is very ridiculous. These ranks should be placed in Band 4 with grade pay of 9000 at least. Secondly the Defence Officers generally live within their units and are never able to get the benefits of HRA and Transport allowance which is very big hike for civil officers. Thirdly a retired officer serving either in scientific institutes or university should also have been included in the Pay Commission team to present the practical and actual comparisions for the benefit of the honorable members. Thanking you , regards. retd Capt R A S Yadav
2008-03-29

34. In my opinion the issue should be tackled in the following manner .Firstly we should see as to what recommendations were made by the defence forces to the Sixth Central Pay Commission .Out of those recommendations ,what has been accepted by the SPC .And what is more important is what has not been accepted by the SPC .The SPC as well as the govt .should reconsider all the recommendations of the defence forces .Services of senior serving as well as retired officers should be availed .There is no use accepting the recommendations of the SPC in their present form when majority of persons are not satisfied .Some delay is acceptable but injustice is not acceptable.If the SPC was election oriented ,no useful purpose has been served .Govt is not going to get votes like this . Lt Col (Retd) K.B.MATHUR
2008-03-29

35. Respected Sir,I Think that this pay commission is meaningless and totally making fool to Armed forces Jcos and ORs (PBOR). 1.What is the meaning of pay commission if our annual increment decrease.Let us calculate one example:-A Subedar of X Gp in Army was getting an increment of Rs-190 per Year in basic pay + 50%DP=85 +Da 41%=112 Hence total total increment =190+85+112=387.75. As per this 6th Pay commission this increment is Rs-330 only .Is it justified ? If I include 12% even then also it is Rs-369.6 only.In this way I can imagine that my pay is increasing or decreasing for next 10 to 12 years. 2.Officers are getting MSP-6000/per month and JCO,NCO and OR all are getting only Rs 1000/per month ? Is there no any category below the officers. 3.Hence this pay commission is injustice with the lower grades and one sided means this pay commission is favorable only for Officers . The same thing was done in 5th pay commission also ? Ramesh Kumar
2008-03-28

36. Non inclusion of any member from the services which constitute 40% of the central govt employees-had been indication enough that the defence people would not be given much. Need was to make services once again a preferred career option so that bright youngmen could return to the profession of soldiering once again. The armed forces are short of 25% at officers level while both NDA & IMA have lot of vacant seats.There is long que for premature retirement indicating the frustration about pay, promotion & working conditions. Can MSP of 6000 ameliorate more than half forced separated family life? While the husband is guarding our borders -the wife has to bring up the children,look after household on shoestring budget.MSP needs to be increased to at least 25000/- for officers & Rs 10,000/- for the soldiers. Pensioners have been left high & dry as always. With the abolition of 2 Lt rank & faster promotions these days-the pension of old timers especially at Lt Col level could have been refixed corresponding to a Colonel's. Govt would do well to announce interim relef to the Defence personnel & appoint a New Commission for the Services with adequate representation from the defence forces- both serving & retired. The Commission can be headed by Marshal of the Air Force Arjan Singh. A Five star Marshal would surely be able do greater justice to services than the Sixth One which only skirted the real issues. Would the members of Sixth CPC like to send their children to services now with hefty(?) increase announbced by them? Air Cmde Raghubir Singh (Retd)
2008-03-28

37. Sir, This 6th pay commission is completely disappointing defence personnel.When commission is effective from Jan 01, 2006 it is not fair to implement MSP/any allow including HRA etc from the day the report would be cleared.It is totally an injustice with defence personnel. They have certain limitation and boundations and different from civil servants. The environment in which defence personnel survive, no one would like. Joining defence service is last option of an individual. He suffers a lot of home sickness many times. First of all MSP should not be of an std rate i.e. 1000/- pm from Sepoy to Sub Major OR Lt to Brig ie 6000/- pm. It should be different for all the JCO's atleast. Since all the defence personnel survive in the similar environment this is an allowance I mean different from Basics, then gap must fair between Officers and Jawans MSP. It should not be 1:6. Also, Defence personnel those who left defence forces (Ex- Serviceman) on or after Jan 01, 2006 must be eligible to all the benefits and accordingly their pensions must be revised as they have also spend their priceless period of life in the similar environment. Jai Hind. Mr. Krishan Pal
2008-03-28

38. Sir I go through the pay fixation of PBORS of indian Army and found that it is totally upto unsatisfactory level.AEC Corps is one part of Indian Army the PBORS are postgraduate and trained graduatesand they took the classes of BEd, BEdTech, BLib Sc and different foreign languages and getting pay less than a primary teachers. It is due to unemployment that they joined Army I dont know what point were kept in the mind while pay commission were recommending as they are in X group and Clks having quali of 10 th std are also in the same group .pl let me know the critaria. I request your honour to give a special increament to AEC personals as they are recruted on the post of Havildar and serve on the same post upto 21 yrs. We are asking for justice . deepak
2008-03-27

39. so much hype on pay scales of armed forces but what about the existing defence pensioners. are they to get less pension than an army jco. defence officers/men are confused as no one seems to be talking about their plight. Bidyut Chatterjee
2008-03-27

40. pls provide me exact pay scale as per sixth pay comision .............for army personnels............. Tamilarasan
2008-03-27

41. i have stuied well, the reasons youngmen not joining forces. the government must increase salary of so called junior officers and jco's jawan. the other imporatant object in whatever mannre be, safety of families, education , medical facilities at door steps and safety to their properties. relatives even brother are bent upon workin as bhoo mafias and do not even give a room to live in a ancestral home. the government and baboos have been failures to deal with problems.corrupton in offices and courts is alarming. half of time is spent on borders and the oher half in olice stations and court. pensioners must be able to spread a good words for the servce they served with.our government has been a failure to take any genuine and affective steps.i shall grant them 40% marks for dealing with forces and pensioners. LT COL TS BAKSHI
2008-03-27

42. the pay commission for defence staff is not bad but i request that the defence staff specially has a pay pack like U.S. U.K. FRANCE then only the defence will get high qualified officers as well as jawan sailor what ever it is so i requested that think on that way ashok bayya
2008-03-27

43. So that our serving army officers posted in combat zones/ counter insurgency duties may devote all their time and efforts to soldiering instead of worrying on how to save income tax they should be exempted from income tax during the period of their posting in combat zone/ counter-insurgency areas. Lt Col S M Sharma,AMC
2008-03-27

44. It has been our past experience of last 3-4 pay Pay commssions and their implimentions that neither the Govt nor Army Bosses were ever honest in considering PBOR needs/futures and left over at their destiny.If unemployment is not a problem, you may see the defi of PBORs more than the Offrs, there are much reasons for getting equal benefits for same work/same risks.This dis-satisfaction perforce them to seek suicide or to kill their seniors/collegues.Now the time has come to have a broad look and think honestly and not making them fool ever. Mr. V S Chaubey
2008-03-27